FYI. Someone forwarded this article to me recently.

https://technode.com/2019/09/09/china-blocks-us-video-conferencing-tool-zoom/

I don't have a direct first hand account from PRC on any issues with Zoom there. However, most developers find ways around restrictions and I've seen this with other conferencing tools like WebEx, Go-To-Meeting, etc. 

On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 10:35 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, me again - unfortunately I will have to miss tomorrow's meeting due to a work conflict but please let me know if there's thoughts on whether or not people think the docs -> GitHub mechanism is fine or if anyone wants to propose another option.

-Tara

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:00 PM Rick <linuxsuren@...> wrote:

So glad to know that web client for zoom is not blocked. I thought the zoom already be blocked totally. Anyway, using zoom sounds like a good idea.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:25 AM Ramin Akhbari via Lists.Cd.Foundation <rakhbari=ebay.com@...> wrote:

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

--

Zhao Xiaojie (Rick)

Blog: https://github.com/LinuxSuRen

Twitter: https://twitter.com/suren69811254

Hey folks, me again - unfortunately I will have to miss tomorrow's meeting due to a work conflict but please let me know if there's thoughts on whether or not people think the docs -> GitHub mechanism is fine or if anyone wants to propose another option.

-Tara

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:00 PM Rick <linuxsuren@...> wrote:

So glad to know that web client for zoom is not blocked. I thought the zoom already be blocked totally. Anyway, using zoom sounds like a good idea.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:25 AM Ramin Akhbari via Lists.Cd.Foundation <rakhbari=ebay.com@...> wrote:

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

--

Zhao Xiaojie (Rick)

Blog: https://github.com/LinuxSuRen

Twitter: https://twitter.com/suren69811254

So glad to know that web client for zoom is not blocked. I thought the zoom already be blocked totally. Anyway, using zoom sounds like a good idea.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:25 AM Ramin Akhbari via Lists.Cd.Foundation <rakhbari=ebay.com@...> wrote:

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

--

Zhao Xiaojie (Rick)

Blog: https://github.com/LinuxSuRen

Twitter: https://twitter.com/suren69811254

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

-Tara

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

-Tara

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud