Hey folks, me again - unfortunately I will have to miss tomorrow's meeting due to a work conflict but please let me know if there's thoughts on whether or not people think the docs -> GitHub mechanism is fine or if anyone wants to propose another option.

-Tara

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 5:00 PM Rick <linuxsuren@...> wrote:

So glad to know that web client for zoom is not blocked. I thought the zoom already be blocked totally. Anyway, using zoom sounds like a good idea.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:25 AM Ramin Akhbari via Lists.Cd.Foundation <rakhbari=ebay.com@...> wrote:

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

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Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

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Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

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Zhao Xiaojie (Rick)

Blog: https://github.com/LinuxSuRen

Twitter: https://twitter.com/suren69811254

Thanks for the update! Once we get these setup it would be great to collect the calendar invites and times somewhere in https://github.com/cdfoundation/toc

Dan Lorenc

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:26 AM Kay Williams via Lists.Cd.Foundation <kayw=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Hey everyone, I wanted to share a quick update on the Security SIG:

 

• We are making plans to hold our first bi-weekly meeting on Tuesday October 8 at 8:00 AM Pacific. These will be one hour ahead of the bi-weekly TOC meeting.
• Dan Lopez is setting up a mailing list, calendar invite, zoom link, shared document space, etc.
• I will send a welcome email and agenda to the TOC mailing list ahead of the meeting; everyone is welcome to attend.

 

Thoughts, questions? Please send to Brian, Fred (cc’d) and I.

 

Thanks!

Kay

Hey everyone, I wanted to share a quick update on the Security SIG:

 

• We are making plans to hold our first bi-weekly meeting on Tuesday October 8 at 8:00 AM Pacific. These will be one hour ahead of the bi-weekly TOC meeting.
• Dan Lopez is setting up a mailing list, calendar invite, zoom link, shared document space, etc.
• I will send a welcome email and agenda to the TOC mailing list ahead of the meeting; everyone is welcome to attend.

 

Thoughts, questions? Please send to Brian, Fred (cc’d) and I.

 

Thanks!

Kay

So glad to know that web client for zoom is not blocked. I thought the zoom already be blocked totally. Anyway, using zoom sounds like a good idea.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:25 AM Ramin Akhbari via Lists.Cd.Foundation <rakhbari=ebay.com@...> wrote:

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

--

Zhao Xiaojie (Rick)

Blog: https://github.com/LinuxSuRen

Twitter: https://twitter.com/suren69811254

Hi All,

Would like to see the appetite in the community for an MLOps Sig. I am part of IBM, and participating heavily in Kubeflow community. I have created a straw-man proposal here, and based on the initial interest of the group, will do a formal PR and bring it back for vote!

https://github.com/cdfoundation/toc/issues/34

Thanks,
Animesh Singh

My 2-cents… Switching to Skype would most definitely be equivalent to “Jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire” type situation. My personal experience with Skype has been far sub-par over the last 3-4 years and there’s no indication it’s improving in any way. I highly recommend either Zoom or paid Slack (if CDF can afford it).

 

Cheers,

Ramin

 

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:23 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] Supporting China based contributors for TOC meetings

 

Ah good to know on Zoom -- from comments in the last meeting it sounded like it might not work.

 

We can also certainly discuss if we want to switch editors, but thanks for indicating the github solution is known to be a legit one.

 

Cheers!

-Tara

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

 

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

 

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

 

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

 

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

 

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

 

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

 

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

 

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

 

-Tara

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

 

 

Zoom isn't blocked in China yet, there's special instructions:

Users in China can access the Zoom web client at https://www.zoomus.cn/webclient/join. Please enter the meeting ID to join the meeting.
Example URL: http://zoomus.cn/webclient/123456789/join

For meeting notes, some projects in the LF use hackmd.io to collaborate and then dump that to the github repo post meeting

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

-Tara

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

Hey folks, attempting to close out my action items from the last meeting.

It continues to look like github is our best bet for the meetings notes.  I'm not finding anything else that's reliably available everywhere that really inspires, and this way it can be centralized to our TOC repo.

The downside to this of course is that we lose the shared editing during the meeting, so another possibility is that we publish the meetings notes to github once the meeting is complete but that we continue to use Docs during the meeting itself so most folks have the ability to amend, comment, etc.   I've tested a pretty straightforward way to do a publish that would support this model and you can see the results here:

https://github.com/tequilarista/toc/blob/master/meeting_notes/TOC_Meeting_Notes.md

I was also looking around at possible non-zoom chat options, and Skype and WeChat seem to be the most legit options (there's another one called Pinngle but all the reviews ultimately seem to be self-sourced by one guy out of the Ukraine so I'm not feeling awesome about it).  Comments on Skype seem to indicate that from China you're redirected to download the Chinese version so it's recommended to VPN your way to a better source, but regardless there can be quality issues.  The consensus for Wechat is that it's not ready for primetime outside of China yet (though inside of course it is King).

I suspect most people already knew all of this, but I guess I'm wondering out loud if we ultimately feel we can realistically support real time voice chat participation in China or similarly censored countries at this time?

Anyway, talk to you Tuesday!

-Tara

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

Unfortunately Dan is on paternity leave.  He asked me to run it (which I'm happy to do) but apparently only one of you two can actually start the zoom session?

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 11:39 AM Kohsuke Kawaguchi <kk@...> wrote:

My apologies for the last minute notice but I have a schedule conflict today for the TOC meeting. I hope Dan Lorenc would be able to run it for us. 

--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

My apologies for the last minute notice but I have a schedule conflict today for the TOC meeting. I hope Dan Lorenc would be able to run it for us. 

--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

Woohoo!

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:35 PM Dan Lorenc via Lists.Cd.Foundation <dlorenc=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding. This is now accepted!

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Yoav Landman via Lists.Cd.Foundation <yoavl=jfrog.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 9:26 PM Andy Glover via Lists.Cd.Foundation <aglover=netflix.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding. 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 5:07 PM Michael Winser via Lists.Cd.Foundation <michaelwinser=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 non binding. Very happy to see this going and looking forward to the next steps.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:02 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 4:53 PM Kay Williams via Lists.Cd.Foundation <kayw=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

+ 1 non-binding. :-)  Thanks everyone!

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Kohsuke Kawaguchi via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:51 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] [VOTE] Security SIG

 

And here's my binding +1.

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 4:50 PM Kohsuke Kawaguchi <kk@...> wrote:

My sense is that everyone seems very happy with the Security SIG proposal as I havent' seen any further comments for a while.

 

The full proposal can be found here: https://github.com/cdfoundation/toc/pull/26

 

Only the TOC members have the binding votes, but I'd love to also see non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support. As per our process definition, this vote requires the majority of the binding votes to pass.

 

Thanks to Kay Williams for patiently driving this process and paving the way for more SIGs that will follow!
--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

 

--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

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Andrew Glover

Director of Delivery Engineering

Netflix, Inc.

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Kohsuke Kawaguchi

+1 binding. This is now accepted!

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 3:41 PM Yoav Landman via Lists.Cd.Foundation <yoavl=jfrog.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 9:26 PM Andy Glover via Lists.Cd.Foundation <aglover=netflix.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding. 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 5:07 PM Michael Winser via Lists.Cd.Foundation <michaelwinser=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 non binding. Very happy to see this going and looking forward to the next steps.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:02 PM Tara Hernandez via Lists.Cd.Foundation <tarahernandez=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 binding

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 4:53 PM Kay Williams via Lists.Cd.Foundation <kayw=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

+ 1 non-binding. :-)  Thanks everyone!

 

From: cdf-toc@... <cdf-toc@...> On Behalf Of Kohsuke Kawaguchi via Lists.Cd.Foundation
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 4:51 PM
To: cdf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cdf-toc] [VOTE] Security SIG

 

And here's my binding +1.

 

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 4:50 PM Kohsuke Kawaguchi <kk@...> wrote:

My sense is that everyone seems very happy with the Security SIG proposal as I havent' seen any further comments for a while.

 

The full proposal can be found here: https://github.com/cdfoundation/toc/pull/26

 

Only the TOC members have the binding votes, but I'd love to also see non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support. As per our process definition, this vote requires the majority of the binding votes to pass.

 

Thanks to Kay Williams for patiently driving this process and paving the way for more SIGs that will follow!
--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

 

--

Kohsuke Kawaguchi

--

Tara Hernandez

Engineering Manager Google Cloud

--

Andrew Glover

Director of Delivery Engineering

Netflix, Inc.